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Should we ban smoking altogether ?
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Plus, with loads of people stood outside high street pubs - it looks a mess!
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Quoted from djpamm31
well,this is a very difficult object.At one side I say yes to banning smoking in pubs and restaurants,but on the other side no.
Reason.People who smoked,had to go outside to smoke a sigarette.They will never go to the restaurant with no smoking again.


djpamm, in the UK now smoking is banned in ALL restaurants, working places, pubs etc etc, that's why I think it's wrong.....



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I'm just happy that I can go out to clubs and pubs now and not have to come back home reeking of smoke every time. It's made going out a lot more enjoyable.

I can appreciate that there's an issue of freedom of choice, but previously the non-smokers were forced to endure this. I suspect that if you replace smoking with taking heroin in that context the argument would soon shift!


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problem is that smoking in pubs has been the mainstay of british Pub leisure for hundreds of years, although its more of a danger in nightclubs to be honest. Now I agree that smoking should be banned in places, such as where food is served, even in pubs.

Problem is the alcohol is more likely to kill you than the smoke from someone else's tab. And as Neil so nearly said, the violence that drunken smokers are getting into is escalating, as is noise from legal outside shelters, and the litter caused. Realy well thought out law don't you think? Was it rushed through, perhaps?

So while it should be banned in circumstances where it can be considered rude, such as food outlets, child friendly places, work etc, Pub leisure is not one of them. There are loads of alternatives for both smokers and non smokers, and freedom of choice is just that, the choices are there, make one.

I think I would still have been against this, even if a non smoker. The ban smacks too much to me of conformist and defeatist alternatives to appease the agenda bashers. I think we are more scared of being stamped to death by a bunch of these 'mythical' hoodies than smoked, yet THAT agenda is skipped happily by like a maypole.

Getting tough on the ordinary people is not the way to win elections, its dealing with the issues ordinary people face. And lets face it, until someone said 'ooo, lets ban smoking!' it was never really an issue i can honestly say anyone fought vehemently for.

There are three major issues in this country. Tax, Crime and immigration. They failed all three miserably and intentionally, as they do every year. So they make amends by bringing in new ones to penalise hard working people, same as they always do.

And as for Londoners asking for £2 an hour more than everyone else in the country.....how pathetic. Don't we struggle everywhere else? I can't afford to by a house anymore, and I work damn hard. So wheres my compensation? I thought the government said there was NO north south divide? if that was true, then justify this to me, someone.......

Ooops. Back to topic.

Against.




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You should get into polotics Corky  

The sensible solution would to have <private> members bars, where you could smoke if you were a member, this way, the staff, and clients, all would know, that they would be entering a smoke zone.

Does seem strange that when we had no smoking bars, before the ban, many failed..


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better stay out of this one  


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Corky: I could not have put that better myself. Agree with every word - even the fullstops!!!!
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I think that the argument that smoking is (only) bad form in certain circumstances, such as where food is served, is denying the very real health issues. It's a killer and I'd argue that it's got more health-related issues that alcohol abuse - and I use the word "abuse" because I don't believe alcohol in moderation is an issue, whereas smoking is playing Russian Roulette every time you light up.

The Freedom of Choice argument is all very well and good, but it denies the non-smoker from a choice does it not? Prior to this ban, we had no choice in the matter as far as clubs go.


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The sensible solution would to have <private> members bars, where you could smoke if you were a member, this way, the staff, and clients, all would know, that they would be entering a smoke zone.


IIRC that's actually the state of play at the moment.  



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Dont know if I can agree with that. If you tot up how many deaths or injuries from both - surely drink is worse?
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There are many ways that we have abuse, the headline yesterday was that Obsesity was going to be the bigger killer and threat to life than anything else....

Hey lets ban food


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