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 UNICEF child welfare league - should we be bottom?
No (3 votes)
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Yes (2 votes)
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Don't know (2 votes)
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8 Votes Total Last vote February 26, 2007, 9:51pm by Elfi
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Si_W
February 22, 2007, 10:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Well a good start would be a real tightening up of the benefit system to encourage people to work by making them doing proper community service in order to receive benefits in the first place.  Shouldn't expect anything for nothing.  That in itself would encourage some people to get off their backsides and either get the help they need to get educated or to get a job.

Community service could imho be either through volunteering for a charity or some council driven initiative like litter sweeps, graffiti removal or something similar.
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Well a good start would be a real tightening up of the benefit system to encourage people to work by making them doing proper community service in order to receive benefits in the first place.  Shouldn't expect anything for nothing.  That in itself would encourage some people to get off their backsides and either get the help they need to get educated or to get a job.

Community service could imho be either through volunteering for a charity or some council driven initiative like litter sweeps, graffiti removal or something similar.


Fantastic point Si_W , and absolutely 100% right.

We have a neighbour, who, whilst being a lovely girl, is a 21 year old single mother without a job (and has never had one as she was pregnant at 17) or partner, yet has Sky TV, a landline, a mobile, leather sofas, wide screen TV and a car which she goes out in between 1-20 odd times a day. She must be absolutely rolling in benefits, whilst we are struggling to run two essential cars (I travel 50miles a day for work, and Hubby is an architect and therefore has to do site visits) and the whole cost of running a home without any handouts or any help from anyone....!!

But once again, aren't we back to the do-gooders and the crap government who are too spineless to do anything about it for fear of losing votes, or 'damaging' the scroungers 'human rights'  > > > >



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agreement from me with Sandra,Corky,  Si_W and MJB on their writings.

Long term 'inactive' (not working) should be told 'if you wish to keep claiming benefit then
you have to partake in _ _ _ _ _ whatever it may be - community service, charity work with a minimum of hours done.
That way they will be of value to the society they are part of and would no longer be seen by workers as parasites on benefits.

My sister in law (age 32) is a single mum (for 12 years now) and has always been in employment (part time initially).
She struggled at times with childcare but had an attitude of earning a living for her own self esteem if nothing else.

Sandra was correct about bad behaviour being learned and how children can do well with a little nurturing.
My wife is NNEB nursery nurse and until a few years ago always worked in the nursery / reception class.
Two annual intakes of children from age 3 onwards and at that early age she could identify (after a couple of months)which children could do well and become 'good citizens' and those who would fail society.
My wife,  IMHO, did a lot in raising standards of education in that school because she was determined that all the children before moving on from her class would be able to write their own name, have basic english and numeracy skills, be able to sit and listen and pay attention in class. She also applied a holistic approach that learning was fun and that the children should be able to play as much as sit and learn. She believes children learn a lot from socialising and communicating.
My wife came home sometimes with some horror stories and at other times wonderful stories.
The wheel of life needs to be broken so that these young children learn what values in life are right and wrong / good and bad / acceptable / unacceptable.
A major problem today is there is a lack of pride / self esteem and little respect for others.
But we have to hope that each of us enlightened people can help to make this world a little better and hopefully stop the rot from blighting everything.

  




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I can only agree with all the points above. Thanks for all your thoughts, guys.  
I can add that the time I spent on benefits I found demoralising and uncomfortable, having worked all my life before becoming a mum. As soon as I could, I started working part time and the little I earned for myself meant far more to me than the hand-outs, even though they were necessary at the time and got me out of a pretty nasty situation...


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The Benefits system, IMHO, started off as a great idea, but had to attract it`s abusers.

I know there are a hell of a lot of spongers, but there are also genuine cases as well.

And I don`t believe that everyone who has ever been on benefits, have no morals, or that they let their children run amok. And there has been millions of pounds unclaimed this year alone, in benefits.... due to people who don`t know they are entitled, whats the government going to do about this. Or the millions in unclaimed old age pensions, cos pensioners don`t know they`re entitled or are frightened of the forms they have to complete. There`s no-one in the government kicking up a stink about this.... and making sure that pensioners have the money that they are entitled to.



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The Benefits system, IMHO, started off as a great idea, but had to attract it`s abusers.

I know there are a hell of a lot of spongers, but there are also genuine cases as well.

And I don`t believe that everyone who has ever been on benefits, have no morals, or that they let their children run amok. And there has been millions of pounds unclaimed this year alone, in benefits.... due to people who don`t know they are entitled, whats the government going to do about this. Or the millions in unclaimed old age pensions, cos pensioners don`t know they`re entitled or are frightened of the forms they have to complete. There`s no-one in the government kicking up a stink about this.... and making sure that pensioners have the money that they are entitled to.


There's always genuine cases, that's a given.

As to the latter point, no-one in Government is going to kick up a stink because that's effectively going to raise the amount of public money being given to people.  The rules set are that you have to apply and it's made as hard for you as it can be.  In some cases that's fair, in others such as those that affect pensioners it's not.

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Too true.

Never could understand tho, how it is that parents who work, are with their kids less, yet the scroungers don`t work, so have more time to spend with theirs... yet teach them next to nothing.  

Don`t want to sound old lol, but when I was a kid, we addressed adults as Mr or Mrs ( whatever their surname was), now tho, kids as young as 8 are stopping you in the street, saying " yo, have ya gota light".  



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Thats some Polite kids you got over there then, Elfi!!

Ours here aren't even legible




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When I got home from work yesterday, some little w@nker scratched my car - RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME; but I didn't dare challenge the little sh1t because he had a very large knife in his hand (AND in school uniform).

Called the Police, what did they say?

"We can't do anything because you don't know who the offender was. We can give you a crime number for your insurance if you need it though"


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