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So, we have a couple of people over on e-bay selling stuff. One clown is selling some of my original ,photographs!! and another for �20.00 a South Africa DVD.. This really gets my back up, and as someone that has never ever ripped of or made any money from a fan, to see, stuff like this for sale, just pisses me of like big time.
If any of you are registrered with e-bay, then send them note asking first why they are ripping of fans, and also to why they are ripping of my own stuff, that has never been put out to make money.
Feel free to include my name!

Right, rolling up my sleeves, all being wel both items, have now been removed. Should you see any blatent pirate stuff on e-bay, then lets deal with it.
I have no problem with people doing trades etc, but not blatent pirate, ripping off etc, this is just not right.

I know lots of the OMD community trade on Ebuy, but the place still feels like a den of vipers to me, IMO. Some of its members semm to see nothing but currency signs wherever they go, whatever they see - one of the worst traits of human nature, IMO.

*Cancels DVD and Photos auctions while whistling nonchalantly*

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*Cancels DVD and Photos auctions while whistling nonchalantly*

;D they are all for free,.. so hope PaulB aint paid no dosh ;D

It kills the very nature of what these forums and its genuine fans are all about. I have loads of stuff, either my own collections, or stuff passed on from other fans, and even fans from this very forum. I'd hate to think that genuine people would simply not want to share just for the love of it just because some 'looters' take stuff under the pretence simply to make a quick buck.
Good on you Neil for reporting them, I know you put loads of work into these sites and the stuff you have already to share with fans is appreciated, I'm sure, by the majority. It must be a sickener to see your trust abused like that.

Make sure to name and shame Neil, we can all report them next time!

Well, lets just say I "dealt" with the individuals on a personal level, and they pulled of the stuff, as soon as I got in touch, I think it is a case lf letting the people doing this for a profit, to know, that some of us "care" about OMD fans, and aint in the business to make a quick bob out of them.
So those that do keep an eye on e-bay, do reoprt things here.

Well done Neil - I remember some of my pics being used on something that was sold on ebay without my permission and I wasn't very happy. Glad you've done something about it.

Yup.. as I have said, I aint got a problem with anyone useing any of my stuff, and if they give a credit, good, that is a bonus.. but not to make money.. nahhh I just am not into that.

Had a look on ebay, and there are still bootleggers, with fake DVD's etc.. well I have sent them a message, and if no reply in 24 hours, time to report them....

I've got that Dazzle Ships concert on DVD for you Neil - �20 should cover it. Oops, wrong thread! ;p

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I've got that Dazzle Ships concert on DVD

Damm... sshhhhhhhhh, no one is meant to know about this ;)

Well, one of the items has now be removed, and one is left on line, a pirate DVD of Crush the movie. I have now reported this to ebay, and suggest that any one with a ebay account should do the same.

The item that has been removed was by the same seller that was trying to sell some of my photographs, when this thread started, seems like a nice guy ;D Here is an e-mail he has sent to me ;D

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it is not a pirate it is a promo i got when i went to a roadshow a few years back but as you wont leave me alone I WILL DELIST IT OK but please stop caontacting me you are getting on my nerves if you would like to resolve this then give me your address and i will meet personally with you but please be warned i will not tolerate much more from you

Oh threats eh :)

If only I had a list of the "promo" items that apparently exist (but in fact don't) I could fill up a whole new Discography.

BTW threatening behaviour from eBay users is (guess what) against eBay's rules! Time to report him again methinks....

I aint reported this actual guy as he has *so far* removed 2 items that I have requested to be removed :) but do keep an eye on ebay, as he must be a full time ripper offer, as this is 2 pirate items in 2 weeks!

This geezer, has sent me more mail �;D all upper case
I sent this message

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Greetings,
The item is a pirate, there are NO OMD DVD's. I will not leave you or anyone else alone that are selling pirate OMD products. Please, also do not threaten me.

Many thanks

Neil

and I got back...

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FINE BUT YOU WILL SOON GET BORED OF ME COS THAT HAPPENED TO BE THE ONLY ONE I HAVE AND I WILL NOT BE SELLING IT NOW IT IS WORTH TOO MUCH TO ME.
BUT LETS GET ONE THING STRAIGHT IT IS A 65 MINUTE PROMO WHICH HAS 6 LIVE SONGS FROM THE DRURY LANE, 8 VIDEOS AND 5 LIVE SONGS FROM THE LIBERATOR TOUR �SO AS I SAY IT IS A SMAPLE PROMO OK I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU BELIVE AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT I AM NOT LYING �THATS ALL THAT MATTERS. I DO NOT SELL PIRATES I DO NOT EVEN OWN ONE PIRATE IN MY ENTIRE HOUSEHOLD IN SOME WAYS I AM THE SAME AS YOU I DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM THEY ARE CRAP QUALITY ESPECIALLY ON MY ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM I CANT EVEN OFFER YOU A COPY OF THIS DVD AS I DO NOT EVEN HAVE A DVD REWRITER. SO I HOPE WE CAN NOW DROP THIS ISSUE. I AM A MASSIVE OMD FAN AS WELL AND WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING TO JEAPORDISE THEIR MATERIAL BELIVE OR NOT I AM ON YOUR SIDE MATE SO PLEASE CAN WE JUST LET THIS GO, YOU CAN KEEP WATCHING MY EBAY IF YOU WANT BUT I ASSURE YOU YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING DODGY ON THEIR AT ALL.
YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY IN CONTACT WITH ME ON BEHALF OF OMD BUT AS FAR AS THIS GOES IT IS OVER AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. �

No such promo has ever been released. He's a liar. De-rez him now.

Who is this fruit loop?!

As he has removed the items, I will not name... but if he tries again, I will name the seller

I've got a rfwl dvd for sell if anybody is interest!!!!

Dare you to put it on ebay :)

AAAAAA+++++++ FIRST CLASS LIAR. RECOMMENDED FOR DODGEY 3RD GENERATION PIRATES.

Destroy and report this girl to the admin of this site.... Dammm.... we are the admin :)

as soon as it is out of Andy's oven it will be ready!!!

Gas mark 4 for 20 minutes. Here's one we did earlier.........

So Andy has a bun in the oven eh :)

:D :D :D it never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to wander off track with the postings on this site.

we can start of with a thread called jammy dodgers and end up with the man on the moon.

you are all lovely and very very funny. :K) :K) :D

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a thread called jammy

so wrong time of the month then ;D

(whistle) see what i mean!

(offtopic1) that comment was off topic ;)

(dance) nothing new there then :D

I am really shocked by all this. I have never got on ebay -don't really understand it - but it makes me really really mad to think how some guy could rip off all the good stuff that omd fans have so generously shared with everyone.

Like I have said before, i have been overwhelmed by the kindness of the true omd fans who post on these forums. Perhaps it is just the case of the best band in the world having the best fans in the world?

This ebay business though - wasn't that the site that bowed to Bob Geldof's wish to remove Live Aid tickets? So far as I could see, there was nothing wrong with selling the tickets yet Ebay bowed to him. Yet here they are allowing a blatant fraudulent trade of omd stuff......words fail me

Thats ebay for you !!!

Ebay does have its good points though.... I have got hold of some (genuine) OMD Rarities from there for some real bargain prices.
Its a shame you also get crap like this too, but thats life I suppose.
The good thing here (as opposed to the 'Loot' or smal Ads is that they can be told off (politely I hope Neil!!) and have the ad removed which will hopefully cost them money, and will eventually help to deter them.

::) i tried selling my car on e-bay...never heard a dicky bird......but e-bay are bombarding me with e-mails for a-z. :-/..i can see the attraction of e-bay though...but the thing is..so can all the crooks of the day.

There were more eBay antics recently when I think the same guy was selling more hooky OMD gear (and using some of my artwork to boot) but I think eBay pulled the auction before it ended.

However, what he's doing now is flagging up genuine OMD items but adding "OTHER ULTRA RARE OMD MATERIAL AVAILABLE ALSO" to the text. So I suspect he'll try and sell all the things he couldn't move on eBay to fans behind the scenes.

there have always been, and always will be people willing to rip people off......its a shame but they will always find ways around things.

at least there are people like you keeping your eyes open....(re- e-bay),but there are so many unsuspecting people who get duped.

yesterday on ebay i noticed they had OMD mouse-mats on offer.

TBH I can't see the attraction of ebay - if I wanted to buy second hand rubbish I'd go to a jumble sale .... (oh! how OLD am I!!!! (rofl) )

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TBH I can't see the attraction of ebay - if I wanted to buy second hand rubbish I'd go to a jumble sale .... (oh! how OLD am I!!!! (rofl) )

i think most of us are experienced enough to know an OMD bootleg when we see one, but if there's something on offer that we've been after for ages (eg, the SA gig), then i reckon in all honesty we'd probably be interested in it and keen to get a copy. all it depends on is the cost. we know we're being ripped off, BUT...

Tell you what fecks me right off....queuing for a curry,wasting away from hunger,getting home and finding it stinks....and some of it tastes burnt...(bash)):wtf:chill

Across on the Ultravox forum we sometimes have CD or DVD threads where someone creates a master and sends it to someone who copies it and forwards it on to the next person, and so on...

I like this method of passing material out (for commercially non-available material only) as the costs are kept down and you hopefully stop a few more people being fooled into paying big prices for this kind of thing.

Yup this sort of thing is fine, untill some muppet wants to profit from it by selling on e-bay, this is whay I do not trade aften at all now days,

Somebody will undoubtedly see pound signs, but the more people's hands this material gets to, hopefully the less of a market there is for it...

Looking across Ebay though it seems there is stil a big market for OMD, and the bootlegs are still there unfortunately, especially the SA gig and now the Sheffield one is there too.

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Looking across Ebay though it seems there is stil a big market for OMD, and the bootlegs are still there unfortunately, especially the SA gig and now the Sheffield one is there too.

though i am against this sort of behaviour, it wouldn't happen if Virgin got it act together.

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though i am against this sort of behaviour, it wouldn't happen if Virgin got it act together.

The only way you could take care of this is to release live albums for every concert that was ever recorded - and also release DVD's of every filmed concert, TV show etc. Not very practical - or likely.

Someone has asked if its possible to trade bootleg gigs on the OMD Forum and after a chat with Andy we're going to see how that goes. The only provisio is that no money changes hands.

I'm all for that. I have a fair few concerts here and although its nowhere near as many as say Neil or PB May have, I would have no problem sharing for free if they were wanted.

I saw one idea on a site that the members posted what they had to offer, and the people who wanted them simply posted out a CD-R with return postage, and once the disc was done it was just posted back. saves poeple some cost, and no money changes habds at all. Just A suggestion.

Sounds good to me ;)

Talking of Ebay, I mentioned in the OMD Forum tha I just managaed to acquire the French CD 'OMD: The Story', but as yet I know very little about it, or whether or not I paidd a good price for it at �32.

Shed any light on this Neil? Anyone?

Do not know it.. but will be intrested to hear what info you find out

Heres the Item in Question... I've seen this ging for a few quid more than I paid here....

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I'm all for that. I have a fair few concerts here and although its nowhere near as many as say Neil or PB May have, I would have no problem sharing for free if they were wanted.

I saw one idea on a site that the members posted what they had to offer, and the people who wanted them simply posted out a CD-R with return postage, and once the disc was done it was just posted back. saves poeple some cost, and no money changes habds at all. Just A suggestion.

I'm all for that or using BIT Torrent. I can host a Private Tracker if people are interested?

Torrent is good, for those that know how to use it ;)
I do not mind hosting any concerts, have the web space ;) etc I could do it all as MP3 so people can download, but there is always a muppet that will take the pi$$

If you have any concerts, that you think people would like to listen to, I can put them up on the Motion And Heart site for all to hear.

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Torrent is good, for those that know how to use it ;)

I like it but it is still open to abuse, hopefully in a small community that would not be the case.

If you MP3's Neil, would they be available to anybody who was browsing or registered members only?

I can passowrd protect a directory easy enough, thats very easy to do, but I have had "friends" in the past, that I have done for, and they have "promised" it would be for there own use only, but later they do a copy for a friend, and that friend does a copy, and then a few years later it ends up on ebay or the likes.
This is why all of the concerts and video that I have online, is in flash, it aint so easy to rip. Have you seen my live audio section with concerts etc?

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Have you seen my live audio section with concerts etc?

Yes I have and very good it is too. :)

Any more opinions on the best way to try?

B and P's
BIT Torrent
Neil Hosting MP3's

I can also offer private FTP accounts for people to up things ;) Could modify the "Juke Box" script and do a sort of custom build, in turn place this in a private FTP account, a person FTP's files to the specific folder, a link is given to others, and hey presto everything is shared..

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I can also offer private FTP accounts for people to up things ;) Could modify the "Juke Box" script and do a sort of custom build, in turn place this in a private FTP account, a person FTP's files to the specific folder, a link is given to others, and hey presto everything is shared..

What size of space are we looking at Neil? I only ask as people might want to keep files from lossless sources in flac format.

I have unlimited web space ;) But to save bandwidth, the MP3 files need to be compressed as much as possible. Do you know how to FTP?? if you do, PM me, and I will set you up an account, and you can have a play :)

A trial if this is here:

http://www.theblacksea.co.uk/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1138033385/

Neil, could the FTP Hold video files? I could try something like the Sheffield BBC concert compressed down if theres a way of showing it?
It might keep it away from Ebay if it was available here.....

I have a few MP3 concerts too I can upload if no-one else has them. I'll sort a a list out.

I have the Sheffield concert already on line ;) on my main web site :)
I can set you up a private FTP account, much the same as I have done for Dave, just PM me, and I will set things up if you like :)

Er sorry, think I missed that one! Don't look too hard do I? :-)

I'll sort out a list and then I'll sort out a PM for you Neil, not sure how much I have is unheard or already available so give me a day or two and I will get back to you. I can't rush though as I always seem to have a lot on but i will get something done!! Honest!!

No rush, all at everyones own pace :) Also does not matter if it has been heard before etc, as it will be your very own juke box :) Just compress the files as small as you can to ease the bandwidth here

OK Thats no problem, let you know when I got the list !!

Here's what I have:

1979-12-08  Electric Ballroom Camden
1980-08-03 Middlesborough Rock Garden
1980-12-08 Kant Kino Berlin
1980 - Sight and Sound
1980- unknown
1981-03-10  toronto, canada (edge club)
1981-03-14 omd - whiskey a go go, la??
1981-11-28  st. austell
1982-01-27  rome, italy
1982-02-17 milwaukee-visconsis-usa
1983-03-13 at glen cove
1984-10-03 Hammersmith Palais
1984-07-25  farmingdale, new york (long island spize club)
1985 - Chicago
1985-10-26 Rotterdam
1986-12-31 - selina's coogee bay hotel, sydney
1994-01-xx South Africa

Just to update on this item....

Its an hour long interview with Andy, covering the story behind how OMD Started, going through each of the singles and Albums in turn and a quick story about each, with some interesting info. Unfornately its also overdubbed by some french bloke translating which does detract and make listening difficult sometimes but still its interesting listening.
One oddity is an intro to Enola Gay I never heard before, quite simple and very 'electricity' sounding in style. Though I havent listened to it properly as such yet, I certainly will do soon as I have an hour to spare.
I could up some of this if its possible (and allowed) as it was a promo and never officially released i beleive. Must be scarce as I seen it going for over �100 in some places so a worthwile addition to my collection anyways!

as a promo, it can be a little risky putting links in a public place ;) but if you wanted a private area where you can share with friends, then this would be OK, and if you need space etc, just let me know.

yes Neil, I was concerned about that too, so to be safe I could upload to FTP and keep the bitrate low enough to be useless for commercial use while still being audible for community enjoyment.
Send me a PM with the info and I'll get this up soon as i can..

I have`nt replied to this post yet,but I`ve been following it......I need an hour or so..uninterupted (which I have`nt got for weeks)..just to read...take in...then look up in the manual... :D but I`m going to get around to it. :D ;D

Uploaded Amsterdam 1984 from Veronicas Countdown

I think you've uploaded at the wrong speed it sounds like the smurfs 8)

Yeah I'd just noticed that ;D Corrected files are on their way.

looking forward to it :)

OK OMD - The Story is now online in the members section.
its 40kbps and about 17mb, and is just over an hour long. If this is too big let me know and I'll cut in into a few peices.

Is this OK Like this Neil, or should I pass the link PM Only or anything?

Interesting that Andy says he didn't like Souvenir and Paul didn't like Enola Gay!

Cheers Corky there seems to be more OMD stuff to listen to and wait fot than ever.
ps This guys selling Electricity,http://www.worldinmotion.net/shopping/mysalelist.htm it might be a bit out of date but it could be worth an email 8)

You are OK to link to it, but best only in the members area ;)

Glad you liked it, and Secret, Thanks for the link I have sent an Email!!

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Interesting that Andy says he didn't like Souvenir and Paul didn't like Enola Gay!

Souvenir was one of my faves, but I was always "so-so" about Enola Gay (which, BTW, I heard on the radio driving to work this morning! :D)

Souvenir is defintely my favourite. Pauls' voice is so ahhh!

I have quite a few favourites...and I will love Pandora box forever....So in love`s becoming a favourite too.. ;D

I'm still very fond of Waiting for the Man. As for singles, it'll be the extended Telegraph, and Electricity, homage to Kraftwerk...

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Souvenir is defintely my favourite. Pauls' voice is so ahhh!

.. and in those days, Paul himself was so "Phwoarrrrrr!!!" (wink_2) (wink_2) (wink_2)

(Haven't seen him for a while - he still might be! :K))

He's put a bit of weight on, but he's still hot! Actually I know some exercises I can show him to shed those pounds ;)

Pretty incredible this one - some character is selling a whole whack of OMD albums on MP3'd CD. Item no. is 4830531671 (he's also nicked a pic from the OMD site to boot).

I've reported the listing to eBay. I'm also making sure both Andy and Virgin are aware of this.

eBay have decided to really bury the form for complaints of these nature, but you can find it here: Violations report form. If you have 5 mins, please fire off a note to eBay yourself as it may help.

Neil - Please let me know if the seller's name is familar to you.

mnnn he says

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Please Note :- This disc is in MP3 format and will not play on ordinary cd players - will work on PC and MP3 compatible DVD players and it's sole purpose is for back up.

It is the buyers responsibility to own or possess the original recordings.Should this disc contain any albums that are not owned by the buyer then it is their responsibility to destroy or remove such albums within 24 hours of receipt to abide by copyright laws.

Not come across this chap before, but as predicted you will always get some muppet doing this. I have considered doing a name and shame forum.. what do you think?

This is just taking the piss. Although it would be a huge job Ebay need some way of screening/approving stuff that falls into certain categories before it's listed. My complaint is on its way.

Unfortunately, that auction went to completion and eBay didn't remove it. I only noticed it last night mind.

The other things he's selling all have suspiciously low opening bids too.

I do want this guy's details so I can at least ban him from the OMD Forum (if he's on there) and block him from buying stuff via the website.

I totally agree. These sort of people are very selfish and are out to make a fast buck, no matter who they stamp on during the process. So go for it Neil as far as I'm concerned.

I've always wanted an OMD DVD myself, but such a thing hasn't been officially released yet. Anyway, eBay is full of users who burn footage onto DVDs and sell them to make money. But by doing so, they are going against copyright laws. I ended up paying �10 for a Nik Kershaw DVD that was a friggin' bootleg.

You should report the seller!!
I have no problem with people converting things to DVD or CD, I have enough stuff done here, but then to sell it for profit, well, that is just wrong, as simple as that, just wrong...

Before Christmas, I had trouble getting the toy that my daughter wanted, so had a look at eBay. People were selling the toys for double of more the cost. I decided against being ripped off and good old Tescos came up with the goods at a discount well before Christmas. eBay plays on our weaknesses and fears - be strong! Sorry about the pirated pics, Neil.

Oh I will get the pirates ;)

I won't use ebay - too much cr@p; and so often a rip off IMHO

Ebay can be a great tool if you know how to use it and spot the scams....

I hear someone paid about �350 recently for a scarce XBOX 360, and was sent a photo of one instead, as quoted in the unseen small print on the listing. Take care and you can get some great stuff there.

But there are too many wanting to rob you of your cash by scamming and decieving you. Ue the facilities to report these people if you become a victim, and get to know your rights should you fall foul. But with a little vigilance you will be fine. I'm not pro-Ebay, but just have good experiences and some real bargains.

Sadly, Corky, that kind of thing is all too prevalent. I personally would never use eBay for anything over about �40-�50. That sum is easier to write off as a loss that �350 (ouch...).

I haven't had any really bad experiences (except for one over 99p!) just to say it has its place.

I may be in a position soon to be able to 'educate' some people about how to use Ebay and what pitfalls to look out for, and how to spot fakes, dodgy stuff and little scams and tricks to remove you from your money.
I 'll hopefully be taking the Ebay Diploma at College soon, and will be able to transfer the knowledge i already have, along with any extra bits I pick up, to other people who are new, or not aware, if they are willing to take on a short course where i work. We already get many people asking about it and so many people i see are very blind to the possibility of being scammed. Hopfully this will happen if the funding holds up and the trustees give the OK.

It'd be nice to do my part, and I'll encourage anyone who takes it up to report non genuine articles.

I have quite a few rare lp's of O.M.D.... but would NEVEr sell them

OMD_ 2 diff sleeves (bakc/white.orange & BLUE/ORANGE

Organisation = black & grey/silver cover
A&M = pale blue, yellow and also a green one

Dazzle ships one blue cover one green cover

the rest are pretty normal...

plus i have plenty gatefold sleeve stuff... even the original *electricity* on factory records!

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but on a simular note, I have noticed that certain clips of OMD are taken from sites like this (not sure if this one has been affected) and end up appearing on YouTube. I know for certain that when looking for TV-related stuff, a simular problem can be found there, with no regards for the where they got the clip from or who was responsible for making it in the first place.

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